Alexandra Taistra has done Philipe Cuisinere and put it in as an 8b although it is 8b+ in the topo. „Philip is fantastic and natural route in Las Ventanas. It is easier for me than Botanics and Ixea so I think 8b or 8b/8b+.“Ola is #8 in the world ranking but without all her down grading she could have been #4.